Don’t do the crime, if you can’t do the time.

February 3, 2013 12 Comments
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The human rights industry was up in arms the other day over the fact that a company supplying ‘halal’ meals to prisoners was providing meat with pork DNA in it, not pig meat as such, just the DNA, or rather traces of it.

Mail. (usual caveats)

The Ministry of Justice has suspended a prison meat supplier after it was discovered that Halal pies and pasties may have contained traces of pork DNA.
The meat had been sourced from a properly Halal certificated caterer, however an investigation showed that the products could have contained traces of non-Halal meat, including pork.
The consumption of pork is forbidden under Islamic law, and all of the contaminated products have been withdrawn with immediate effect, the Ministry said.

It does rather strike me as pandering to prisoners by allowing them a ‘special’ diet over and above normal prison fare. After all, it’s not like halal is an especially healthy option and certainly it does smack of privilege to demand that your religion is pandered to in prison. After all, most religions tell you that you shouldn’t break the law in a way that you end up in prison (yes I know about political prisoners, but we don’t officially have them) So it does seem that if you break the law, get caught, get convicted you face the consequences of not having a religious dietary requirement met by the state. My point of view tends to be unless there’s a medical requirement for a diet, you take what you’re given and be grateful. That includes vegetarians too. If you’re so wrapped up in your beliefs that you want to starve yourself to death then that’s your look out, not the states (or mine come to that)

Chris Grayling the Justice Secretary when asked about prisons, he said he wanted them to be “spartan, but humane, a place people don’t have a particular desire to come back to”. Perhaps if we weren’t pandering to their every whim they wouldn’t.

In the end it really ought to come down to don’t do the crime, if you can’t do the time.

12 Responses to Don’t do the crime, if you can’t do the time.

  1. john in cheshire
    February 3, 2013 at 9:52 am

    I believe that the koran also permits muslims to eat just about anything if that is the only food available in non-muslim lands. Well, all muslims living in England are living in a non-muslim land so I can’t understand why they aren’t expected to eat what the rest of us eat.

  2. Greg Tingey
    February 3, 2013 at 10:30 am

    All of this is pig’s bollocks.
    Both “sides” of the argument.
    Same as the fuss about dobbin in the burgers.

    What bothers me is the cross-contamination at the food suppliers.
    So, not the “25% horse” – which was obviously a deliberate scam, but the 1% or less. Ditto the pig in “halal”.
    If there is that sort of x-contamination, what ELSE is getting in, in the way of contaminants into anyone’s food-chain?
    The fact that they are prisoners, is, quite frankly, irrelevant.

  3. Paul
    February 3, 2013 at 10:47 am

    According to someone I know who has been in a prison recently (marijunana offences), the diet choices are bewildering. There’s halal, kosher, some other foreign pickiness, veggie, vegan and ‘normal’. The trick is apparently to get on any diet other than normal, because the food is much better quality and variety. Normal is simply meat and two veg and sponge pudding and custard. A few apples/oranges and the odd yoghurt. Salad and cold watery ham at weekends. A pie or three. Exotic diets have exotic food, lovingly prepared. Ramadan is even ‘better’. All the food is shipped in from outside caterers – high quality curries and such and LOTS of it. Plus, muslims are excused any work in Ramadan because they are ‘fasting’ and so weakened. And all the curry fests are at night because of course they don’t eat between sun-up/sundown, when the prison kitchens are operating. You get a menu choice form every day, to complete for the following days meals. The choices are extensive, though not really for ‘normal’. They won’t call it ‘normal’ either because that would suggest the others are ‘abnormal’, which would be ‘offensive’ of course.

    • February 4, 2013 at 7:11 am

      Maybe that explains the high rate of conversion to Islam?

  4. Tatty
    February 3, 2013 at 2:59 pm

    It must be absolutely dreadful to be imprisoned in a regime so unsuited to your religious beliefs and there’s clearly a gap in the market for Sharia-run prisons. :roll:

    • Peter MacFarlane
      February 3, 2013 at 6:38 pm

      I don’t think they bother with prison under their law, I think they proceed straight to the cutting-off-of-limbs bit.

      You know, they might have a point.

      But only for those who believe in Sharia, natch.

    • Furor Teutonicus
      February 4, 2013 at 2:17 pm

      XX a gap in the market for Sharia-run prisons.XX

      When in Berlin for example, between 80 and 90% of the population are camel shaggers any way *, what the HEL is the difference?

      (* BIG bollock drop by the local muslim “community” when they pointed out that “Prisons need more Imams, because 80 to 90% of the population are muslim!” You could have heard a pig sticker drop.

      Needless to say, it was removed from their web site PDQ. But, we had already “page captured” it :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: )

  5. Stonyground
    February 3, 2013 at 7:54 pm

    Sharia prisons for Muslim convicts seem to me to be a brilliant idea. Make them far harsher and more unpleasant than normal prisons and just see how many muzzie convicts prefer to put up with their harim diet rather than be transfered to one.

  6. February 4, 2013 at 12:23 am

    I am a vegetarian and when I am carted off to Auschwitz for crimes against the state the worst torture would be forced to eat meat.

    I would rather be hung, drawn and shot. Than eat meat.

    • February 4, 2013 at 8:29 am

      That is of course your personal choice, it’s not like you can’t eat meat, just that you choose not too. Same with Muslims and pork.
      In prison the choices available to you in the real world should be denied you save in only the most basic form. You get to eat, you get to have a roof over your head you get to stay until your sentence is done.
      Basics in other words.

      • February 4, 2013 at 9:06 am

        Why the need for meat in prisoners’ diets at all?

        Make all the food vegetarian and you get rid of the need for almost all special catering – not to mention dramatically cutting overall costs.

  7. Furor Teutonicus
    February 4, 2013 at 2:18 pm

    Is allowing prisoners to be vegatarians not condoning canabalism?

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